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second, state and local taxes paid. that's just a tax shift. instead of raising taxes on you by simply raising them on you, we raise them on you by making our state and local tax bill higher. it'll pound on high tax cities on states which means it'll hit the cities and states by making them less attractive places for people to live. there a political veilance here too. all ten of the highest tax states wept for president obama in 2012 and eight of the lowest tax states were for romney. that would be a particularly tough tax for blue states. them. charitable contributions. this is the most sensitive to tax incentives. you have to live somewhere, you need a home and it is hard it move it a new state because taxes went up. you don't need to give to charity. people give to charity because they want to and also, let's be real, because the government encourages through the tax code. it is reported in bloomberg in 2009 households with incomes of more than $200,000 claimed almost $60 billion in charitable deductions or 20% of total charitable giving in
second, state and local taxes paid. that's just a tax shift. instead of raising taxes on you by simply raising them on you, we raise them on you by making our state and local tax bill higher. it'll pound on high tax cities on states which means it'll hit the cities and states by making them less attractive places for people to live. there a political veilance here too. all ten of the highest tax states wept for president obama in 2012 and eight of the lowest tax states were for romney. that...
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by increasing taxes on things like investment income, the estate tax. you know, there's other ways to get that money. i think the important thing to keep in mind is, you know, that raising taxes on the top 2%, part of it is political. it's something that the president campaigned on. it's something that he definitely wants. and it's something that republicans are very opposed to at this point. >> ultimately how much will any of these plans really cut into the national debt, which stands at what, over $16 trillion now? >> right. well part of the issue with these plans is just that some of them -- they don't necessarily address some of the long-term issues. and so over the long-term, over the next 10 for 20 years most likely taxes will have to go up for a lot of people, not just the top 2%. some of the middle-class people will have to give up some of their tax breaks and the thing is, as well, is that there will have to be some spending cuts in health care. we have a huge demographic problem in the country with baby boomers starting to retire and taking ad
by increasing taxes on things like investment income, the estate tax. you know, there's other ways to get that money. i think the important thing to keep in mind is, you know, that raising taxes on the top 2%, part of it is political. it's something that the president campaigned on. it's something that he definitely wants. and it's something that republicans are very opposed to at this point. >> ultimately how much will any of these plans really cut into the national debt, which stands at...
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and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something on the table or is that not going to happen until like the 30th, 31st of the month? >> well, what i would say is in the white house's initial offer they did offer $400 billion in medicare cuts. and that is something that i think the republicans should actually like as a starting point because clearly the white house knows that they are going to have to go up from there. and bob corker the senator from tennessee who was also on "meet the press" yesterday has proposed some legislation that instead cuts $641 million out of medicare. we'll see some scale
and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something...
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you may lose the tax deduction there. that will definitely hit the top percent of americans, and that's a concern because it's a lot of small business owners. >> let's talk about the other immensely popular deduction, and this is the mortgage deduction. >> this is a heated one. this is very heated. here's the thing. if you're looking at your interest that you're paying, up to a million dollars of that is deductible. second homes, the interest is deductible. home equity loans, the interest is deductedible. now, that's been around since the teens. the ability to do that. so here's the thing, though. only one in four homeowners actually take this deduction. >> really? >> yes. right. people aren't really surprised because most homeowners actually don't necessarily qualify for it because they don't pay enough in interest. >> or they don't itemize? >> they don't itemize, exactly. so at least 25% to 30% of those folks, however, make less than $100,000. so these folks will get very hit by this. if they can phase it in, that will
you may lose the tax deduction there. that will definitely hit the top percent of americans, and that's a concern because it's a lot of small business owners. >> let's talk about the other immensely popular deduction, and this is the mortgage deduction. >> this is a heated one. this is very heated. here's the thing. if you're looking at your interest that you're paying, up to a million dollars of that is deductible. second homes, the interest is deductible. home equity loans, the...
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no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern republican party. the right wing went crazy. and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted th
no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern...
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we preserved the estate tax, the tax on -- the low tax rates on dividends. look at the things we got off this proposal. you should back this. >> do you think he's even giving them cover on this because it's so extreme? >> i think he wants boehner to go back to his caucus and say this is where the president started. look at the hardball negotiating i did to get the president down from $1.6 trillion on tax hikes to $1 trillion on tax hikes. i saved $600 billion in tax hikes and that's probably the most effective if not the only way he can negotiate this bill. >> how do the republicans -- what is their next move. chuck schumer saying if house republicans consider the president's budget a new offer we await their counteroffer. the ball is in their court to state on what they would do on entitlements and taxes. they have given no specifics so far. >> that's a tough question for them. by the way, you said this reminds you of dillon going electric. i think of the scene in the god father michael corleoneny, my offer is nothing, not even the fee for the contract whic
we preserved the estate tax, the tax on -- the low tax rates on dividends. look at the things we got off this proposal. you should back this. >> do you think he's even giving them cover on this because it's so extreme? >> i think he wants boehner to go back to his caucus and say this is where the president started. look at the hardball negotiating i did to get the president down from $1.6 trillion on tax hikes to $1 trillion on tax hikes. i saved $600 billion in tax hikes and that's...
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um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of speech. >> sorry. >> woah! no more figures of speech over here. just concrete language. there's lots of incredible funny women from tina fey to sarah silverman, even the sweetly violence women i work with every day. >> really? >> really? >> all right. really. anyway, i don't want to live in a world without women came medians and neither does our next guest. the author of we kill the rise of women in american comedy. welcome, my sister. >> thanks for having me. >> so you can talk about smftd special challenges that women who want to enter comedy will face? >> i think i have to look at stand up and sketch a as two different art
um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of...
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>> the tax problem is the biggest problem. president obama has laid out in the past and seen willing to me, at least, to make some cuts to medicare. maybe not ones conservatives like. what we don't know yet, the big question is, president obama is pushing for $1 trillion in tax increases, pushing it for a long time. he feels he has a mandate on that now. we know his idea is about raising revenue. we don't know what the republicans ideas are on the revenue. that's what we need to know. that's the whole question, what are they. go ahead. >> we've heard from lindsey graham yesterday or the day before with regards to revenue. he still contends, ari, that you can raise a significant chunk of revenue, he's thrown out $800 billion at least by closing loopholes and limiting deductions, whether it's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000. >> yeah, but he's just talking, right? just talking. what the president has done is outlined a plan. he outlined it once and the american people voted for it, and he outlined it again, not surprisingly, the same c
>> the tax problem is the biggest problem. president obama has laid out in the past and seen willing to me, at least, to make some cuts to medicare. maybe not ones conservatives like. what we don't know yet, the big question is, president obama is pushing for $1 trillion in tax increases, pushing it for a long time. he feels he has a mandate on that now. we know his idea is about raising revenue. we don't know what the republicans ideas are on the revenue. that's what we need to know....
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instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a crazy idea. i'm amazed that secretary geithner had the courage to float that yesterday. hence the laughter from senator mcconnell. that's the kind of response it deserves. >> they are laughing in public, but they are panicking behind closed doors. conservative writer matt lewis, writer for "the daily caller", the notion that republicans have leverage is silly. it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly-predicting a romney victory. he said republicans are so screwed. this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to h
instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a...
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democrats bet republicans cave on taxes. how confident are democrats that they're going to win this thing, they'll make this happen. >> they feel like this looks like the 2011 payroll tax. remember at the time house republicans were not going to pass that extension to that payroll tax holiday, but they felt boxed in at the end of the day and they eventually had to do what the president wanted. democrats believe that they have the issue here, they have a bill that passed out of the senate. they think the house will adopt it. the republicans say there is just no way that's going to happen, that in order to get any sort of deal on revenue, democrats have to -- >>> have a fantastic weekend, gentlemen. coming up, we're following developing news from the supreme court where we're waiting to hear if the high court takes up several major challenges to same-sex marriage. plus -- >> i was positioning is that the right newspapers, is that the right numbers. and i was shaking. and i called my husband and i said i think i'm having a hear
democrats bet republicans cave on taxes. how confident are democrats that they're going to win this thing, they'll make this happen. >> they feel like this looks like the 2011 payroll tax. remember at the time house republicans were not going to pass that extension to that payroll tax holiday, but they felt boxed in at the end of the day and they eventually had to do what the president wanted. democrats believe that they have the issue here, they have a bill that passed out of the senate....
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one-third of it was tax cuts. they said from the get go, we're going to give republicans what they want. we expect them to meet in the middle. that's not what they did this time. this is where we are, we'll meet down here. republicans are going to do the same thing. they're going to say this is not a serious proposal. along the way, they are going to meet. it's going to be a proposal that doesn't have a trillion dollars in tax rates. >> some conservatives are encouraging republicans to go off the cliff. >> they obviously expect republicans will cave on everything. i think republicans ought to simply walk away. >> limbaugh said the same thing as well. is this political suicide for republicans? who would really pay the political price before the state of the union and on into the spring if they don't have a deal? >> republicans. i think matt lewis and his column got it right. they would pay the price. what they are essentially saying because we want to protect -- listen, it's a more complex argument. what it will be
one-third of it was tax cuts. they said from the get go, we're going to give republicans what they want. we expect them to meet in the middle. that's not what they did this time. this is where we are, we'll meet down here. republicans are going to do the same thing. they're going to say this is not a serious proposal. along the way, they are going to meet. it's going to be a proposal that doesn't have a trillion dollars in tax rates. >> some conservatives are encouraging republicans to go...
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on the issue of middle class tax cuts republicans want to go forward saying we raised taxes on the middle class. >> but chris, doesn't the white house have to be a little more specific about what's in that $400 billion of medicare cuts? i mean they're trying to smoke out what the republicans are willing to go for, but each side is suspicious, understandably, they will get hammered publicly. >> that's right. and the democrats on the hill and in the white house will tell you, that we don't want to be the face of tax increases and of entitlement cuts. so, they're saying we have a budget here, $400 billion worth of cuts we can start there. if you have a better idea, show it to us. both sides are very, very weary because they understand showing their hand and the ads that would be run if john boehner would say we want these cuts, raise the entitlement age on medicare and hurt granny and grandpa. that's a big problem for republicans and the white house has come out and been the most specific so far. that plan that geithner took to the hill is the most specificity we've seen from either leader a
on the issue of middle class tax cuts republicans want to go forward saying we raised taxes on the middle class. >> but chris, doesn't the white house have to be a little more specific about what's in that $400 billion of medicare cuts? i mean they're trying to smoke out what the republicans are willing to go for, but each side is suspicious, understandably, they will get hammered publicly. >> that's right. and the democrats on the hill and in the white house will tell you, that we...
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to a higher tax rate. i think they would be fine getting rid of some of the loopholes, but if this goes to where it's just higher tax rates on the rich and very little spending cuts, they little reform, i think there will be huge outrage. >> how about a sizable adjustment in entitlements, a big -- billions of dollars in cuts in regular spending, appropriations spending, and a reduction in the rich person's tax rate, a rise to 37% or 38%, would that sell with the right or not? >> i think there's a chance if they would see real reform, real cuts, more than what the president was saying, 2.5 times of cuts for every tax increase, but what they don't want are tax increases now and future cuts. that's not going to work. >> okay. thank you. just want to know what the rules were in the sane world and the insane world. i think it's going to be more like one to one and i think it's going to be something like i mentioned. let me go back to you, bob. i don't know what it looks like to you. just the other day, you don'
to a higher tax rate. i think they would be fine getting rid of some of the loopholes, but if this goes to where it's just higher tax rates on the rich and very little spending cuts, they little reform, i think there will be huge outrage. >> how about a sizable adjustment in entitlements, a big -- billions of dollars in cuts in regular spending, appropriations spending, and a reduction in the rich person's tax rate, a rise to 37% or 38%, would that sell with the right or not? >> i...
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tax rates for the top 2%. they've been as high as 90% in the great depression, so you really have to have perspective here. it's hard to see the republicans making this their sticking point. making this thing that that is the hill that they will die on, is not raising taxes on the top 2%. i think that karen is right, that the white house has everything to gain by keeping the president above this. and on the payroll tax thing, that worked. that employ worked and i think that they're planning on having this work out again. the president is the one making the case to people that his staff is dealing with boehnerth and i think that's the right psychological play and it's the right political negotiating play. >> anna marie cox and karen tumblety. stand by, we're going to talk about grover norquist. by the way, karen, happy belated birthday. >> thank you. >> i hear you celebrated, i heard there was a wild party in d.c. last night. thanks for the invite. >> quick note here, don't know what you're doing with your sund
tax rates for the top 2%. they've been as high as 90% in the great depression, so you really have to have perspective here. it's hard to see the republicans making this their sticking point. making this thing that that is the hill that they will die on, is not raising taxes on the top 2%. i think that karen is right, that the white house has everything to gain by keeping the president above this. and on the payroll tax thing, that worked. that employ worked and i think that they're planning on...
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taxes by one means or another. so i certainly agree with him on that. and i believe the president has a high degree of resolve about that, too. so i'm all for that. >> the book is "tap dancing to work warren buffett on practically everything" the oracle of omaha. we appreciate you're coming on today. look forward to seeing you soon. >> thank you for having me. >>> two nfl players leaving lucative contracts behind in search of something higher, their story next on "andrea mitchell reports." a hybrid? most are just no fun to drive. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. mu
taxes by one means or another. so i certainly agree with him on that. and i believe the president has a high degree of resolve about that, too. so i'm all for that. >> the book is "tap dancing to work warren buffett on practically everything" the oracle of omaha. we appreciate you're coming on today. look forward to seeing you soon. >> thank you for having me. >>> two nfl players leaving lucative contracts behind in search of something higher, their story next on...
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and make them pay more taxes. how $250,000 got to the point where that's the, quote, middle class is beyond my comprehens n comprehension. 100 would have been more appropriate for more real live people. he's going to get that. hopefully he can do it without doing rate increases, which are going to cost. anybody who is, quote, rich shouldn't mind paying more taxes. i don't understand that at all. and i don't understand that somebody, if you let them earn more money is going to use it to hire people. they may likely buy another kind of rig or a toy or something like that. i don't know. but all i know is one thing, you can't cut -- you can't cut spending away out of this hole, you can't tax your way out of this hole and you can't grow your way out of this hole. you have to have everything. have to have it. >> well, grover norquist was at a political playbook breakfast with mike allen, we'll talk to mike in a few moments, here's norquist talking about what he calls impure thoughts. i think that has something to do wit
and make them pay more taxes. how $250,000 got to the point where that's the, quote, middle class is beyond my comprehens n comprehension. 100 would have been more appropriate for more real live people. he's going to get that. hopefully he can do it without doing rate increases, which are going to cost. anybody who is, quote, rich shouldn't mind paying more taxes. i don't understand that at all. and i don't understand that somebody, if you let them earn more money is going to use it to hire...
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remember we're talking about 2013 taxes, not 2012 taxes. but if americans are taking out loans based on what their tax return is going to be in april maybe we should be talking about financial literacy and not about how budgeting works. >> we can but i'm just trying to tell you realistically that's how people are living their lives in the united states of america in the 21st century. so we need to be real about how people are living their lives. >> you know what, one thing i do want to talk about, i'll begin with you tony on this. i'm sure you saw that photo making the rounds this week of house committee chairmen? what is that all about. they're all white males. speaker boehner now said he was indeed appointing a female chair congresswoman, candice miller. this committee is in charge of things like the house cafeteria, expense accounts, benefits packages. sounds like a token appointment to a somewhat low-level position. >> look. speaking as a white male republican, wasn't really happy to see that. i want to see more women and more represent
remember we're talking about 2013 taxes, not 2012 taxes. but if americans are taking out loans based on what their tax return is going to be in april maybe we should be talking about financial literacy and not about how budgeting works. >> we can but i'm just trying to tell you realistically that's how people are living their lives in the united states of america in the 21st century. so we need to be real about how people are living their lives. >> you know what, one thing i do want...
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this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars. they're selfish. and there's a group called patriotic millionaires who are saying please, please, tax us fairly. and here's the point. the president is saying to the millionaires and billionaires, we're just taking you back to the tax rates that you had when bill clinton was president. and i would like to remind everybody, we had the greatest prosperity then when everyone paid their fair share. 23 million new jobs. and why is it? because the middle class had the money to spend out there, to stimulate this economy. it's a consumer-driven economy. about 70% of the economy is consumer driven. and the other thing the president put on the table, i understand, is refinancing proposal. >> right. >> where people trapped in 7%, 8% mortgages can go down to 4% and 5% mortgages ha
this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars. they're selfish. and there's a group called patriotic millionaires who are saying please, please, tax us fairly. and here's the point. the president is saying to the millionaires and billionaires, we're...
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tax rates. that's the democrats' leverage. our leverage, in my view, are spending cuts. the democrats don't want any domestic spending cuts. they're going to happen if there's not a deal. he doesn't want any more defense cuts either. >> by way of context, house speaker john boehner came out, has come out and said, look, we are not in support of what tom cole is saying. tell me why the republican house conference doesn't think that's a smart strategy? >> first of all, great respect for representative cole. he is a very fine man and he is a very good thinker as well, but i don't agree with him either on this one. we know that the proposal by the president is going to hit 1 million small business owners. ernst and young has told us 700,000 jobs because of that. that doesn't help the middle class at all. and this is very important we do protect the middle class and this is not the way to do that. stop just talk iing about taxes only. here's the thing. if you just look at what the president wants to
tax rates. that's the democrats' leverage. our leverage, in my view, are spending cuts. the democrats don't want any domestic spending cuts. they're going to happen if there's not a deal. he doesn't want any more defense cuts either. >> by way of context, house speaker john boehner came out, has come out and said, look, we are not in support of what tom cole is saying. tell me why the republican house conference doesn't think that's a smart strategy? >> first of all, great respect...
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number one, tax revenues have remained about the same regardless of tax rates. the government sort of takes in about the same regardless. and while federal income tax rates have gone down for lower and middle income families since 1980, state and property taxes have gone up by about the same amount. so federal has gone down. so here is my bumper sticker for you guys. maybe i'll print it up this weekend. >> sure. >> blame your mayor and governor. don't blame your president. >> okay 0. see, on that note then, joe, i just -- i know that it's not -- when he says i won and you don't like it, he's just putting out something there that just seems like a little tone deaf to what republicans want to hear. there are some, the consumer confidence, housing, the news on the economy, there are some signs that perhaps this administration might know what they're doing. is that fair to say? >> hold on. >> so you can't say it. >> i can't even say it. >> why don't you pull a mitch mcconnell on me? brian sullivan, thank you. all right, coming up -- >> that's how mitch mcconnell lau
number one, tax revenues have remained about the same regardless of tax rates. the government sort of takes in about the same regardless. and while federal income tax rates have gone down for lower and middle income families since 1980, state and property taxes have gone up by about the same amount. so federal has gone down. so here is my bumper sticker for you guys. maybe i'll print it up this weekend. >> sure. >> blame your mayor and governor. don't blame your president. >>...
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tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential candidate, at one point, from hillary clinton to barack obama, from john kerry to john edwards, all of them, they all played for their plan with this simple phrase, "rolling back the bush tax cuts." they've been doing it for eight years. so politically, that's why the president has to draw that line in the sand. >> he draws that line in the sand, but harold ford, what happens when republicans, at least a small number of them, go ahead and raise taxes on the top 2% and then turn to the white house and say, okay. now we'll move. and then they have to talk about how they're goi
tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential...
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not anti-tax, anti-government spending. the tea party. you did get new voices talking in a different way. rand paul is not talking in the same way that a rick santorum or a newt gingrich has talked about. marco rubio doesn't talk. mike lee, there's a lot of different people who talk differently here. one question, chris christie is another. this class of 2010. that is an interesting wing. it's unclear whether that wing, if it is indeed a coherent wing, will now lead the discussion of the republican party. i think mitt romney, the analog to him is john kerry. he was a presentable, i think the other guys might not hate him type of former massachusetts -- >> went back into the senate afterward. >> the moment that he disappeared, that's the last you heard about john kerry from any democrat. he was like, enough, we're not going to do that again. there's a lot of republicans saying enough, we're not going do that again. the question is okay, what are you going to do that's different? from my perspective, i don't believe what a lot of democrats
not anti-tax, anti-government spending. the tea party. you did get new voices talking in a different way. rand paul is not talking in the same way that a rick santorum or a newt gingrich has talked about. marco rubio doesn't talk. mike lee, there's a lot of different people who talk differently here. one question, chris christie is another. this class of 2010. that is an interesting wing. it's unclear whether that wing, if it is indeed a coherent wing, will now lead the discussion of the...